Name a more iconic duo than A Twink and a Redhead. We’ll wait. 

Creators Grant Gibbs (the Twink) and Ashley Gill (the Redhead) are on one helluva hot streak right now, with a nationwide tour, more than a million followers across their social media channels, and brand new representation from one of the biggest talent agencies in Hollywood. 

The self-described “delusional” duo have been besties since high school, turning their friendship into TikTok gold with satirical videos taking aim at everyone from Disney Adults to JD Vance. 

The two are known for their songs about sexual experiences at the wildest of places, including getting “dicked down at the DNC,” getting “fucked at Panera” and having their “ass ate the the Cheesecake Factory.” Where’s that on the million-page menu?!

We spoke with the pair after a photoshoot with photographer Zac Olewnicki for So.Gay, amid their A Twink and a Redhead: A Musical Comedy tour. During our chat, they opened up about their humble beginnings, signing with CAA, facing controversy, their celebrity fans…and whether they’ve had any luck turning any of their NSFW songs into reality.  

So.Gay: How fun was your photoshoot with So.Gay, and what does it mean to be recognized by the queer community for your work in this way? From what I’ve seen, the photos came out great!

Grant Gibbs: We haven’t seen anything! The stuff on set was so cool, and like, that whole team was really, it was amazing. The hair, the makeup…

Ashley Gill: They had me feeling like Gigi Hadid!

Grant Gibbs: It felt like high fashion, but also kind of camp. We love that. We love comedy, but we also love serving c*nt. 

Ashley Gill: Yeah, we like being funny, but it’s also important that we’re hot as well. We’re a rare example of being funny and hot. You don’t often see it. 

So.Gay: It’s great representation! I know you’re on your Twink and a Redhead Tour, which began back in March and runs through the beginning of September . When did you realize you really had the audience and following to go through with something like this, where you knew if you built it, they would come? 

Grant Gibbs: I feel like we’ve been delusional since, like, high school, that we’ve always thought people would come.

Ashley Gill: We always trusted that if Grant and Ash get on stage, an audience will follow. Like, in high school, we would kind of just hijack a microphone at a party, or a Sweet 16, and just sing our songs. So, I feel like we just never lost that mentality, and once we started posting on social media, we also just believed that if we put a show on, the audience will come. 

Grant Gibbs: Yeah, I don’t know if there was ever a moment, but it is nice to see that, one, people do come, and then, two another thing that was new was, like, people stopping us on the streets and being like, “You remind me of me and my best friend,” “I have a twink,” or, like, “I have a redhead.” That was something I never anticipated, but has been rewarding.

So.Gay: I know you said you were just at Disney the other day. I’m curious, when you go somewhere like that, or like a Cheesecake Factory, or TJ Maxx, do people start recognizing you or bring out the quotes? 

Ashley Gill: I love when someone comes up to us and is like, “I got fucked in a Panera,” and I’m like, “Great!”

Grant Gibbs: We behave ourselves at Disney. All of our content is satire, it’s comedic. We’re not actually getting F’d at Panera.

Ashley Gill: Speak for yourself.

So.Gay: It’s definitely a high-energy show. How grueling were the rehearsals and did one of you have a harder time picking up some of the choreography than the other?

Ashley Gill: Yeah, me! I’ve never been a dancer, I’ve never claimed to be, but I had to put in the work during rehearsals.

Grant Gibbs: I grew up doing, like, cheer, and so I could keep an 8 count. I don’t know if I’m the best dancer, but, that environment, I’m very used to and I love. Our choreographer, Michael McCrary, he reminds me of so many cheer coaches or choreographers I’ve had in the past. So it felt very normal and natural to me, but then I have to remember, Ashley’s never been in an environment like that, so it can be kind of high stress.

Ashley Gill: Yeah, when people start—not yelling—but the tensions are flying, I’m like, “Oh my god. Like, what are we gonna do?” But Michael McCrary, our choreographer-director, he also met us where we’re at and challenged us, while also making sure we felt comfortable. I never felt like I was like, “Oh my god, I have to do the worm on stage,” that was never my experience.

So.Gay: I know you two are professionals, but have you had any on-stage mishaps yet? And how do you get past them? I think it works with your vibe still. 

Ashley Gill: With our brand, luckily, even a mistake, it somehow still fits into the fabric of the show. My biggest mishap was the first show we did in Dallas. At the end of the show, there’s a quick change moment. And basically, I’m wearing tearaway pants, and I’m supposed to rip them off and I was wearing a cute little sequin short number underneath. And this is our first show, and for some reason, I got kind of lost, before the quick change. And when we were on stage, I was ripping my tearaway pants, and I realized I didn’t put those shorts on underneath, so I was about to G-string out on stage in Dallas. 

Grant Gibbs: I just finished and thought she was done, so I was trying to…

Ashley Gill: Grant thought I was struggling with my tearaway pants, so he’s trying to rip them. I’m like, “No!”

Grant Gibbs: And then I saw just like, thong, and I was like, “Oh!”

Ashley Gill: But, like, can you imagine? I’m G-string out for a show in the theater where Lee Harvey Oswald hid out after shooting JFK in Dallas, Texas?

Grant Gibbs: It works, too. Like, I’ve missed the quick change before, and in New York—which was our biggest show we’ve ever done, we sold it out, period—I was shirtless when the blanket thing came down for the quick change, and I was like, “Oop!” But it works with our show. I think our audience has bought in, regardless, and will go along with anything we do up there. 

So.Gay: I know the friendship lore: there was a failed dare to kiss in sixth grade, you became good friends in high school, then went to college together. Was it delusion from Day 1 or was there a moment where you went, “This is why people will be interested in us, let’s make these videos”?

Ashley Gill: There’s always that layer of delusion in the back of both of our minds that we’re meant to be stars. I also think, in high school specifically, we found a safe space in each other to just be weird and creative and funny. I was definitely trying to fit in a lot with, honestly, these nasty bitches in high school. And Grant was definitely a place where I was like, “Okay, I can actually be myself, I don’t have to pretend to be also a nasty bitch.” I think that’s a really special relationship when you find someone that you can just be yourself around and without judgment, or like, who the hell cares, you know? 

Grant Gibbs: Oh, that’s sweet. 

Ashley Gill: I know, I’m sweet today. You’re like, “That wasn’t my experience.”

Grant Gibbs: I probably was the one always sort of pushing it forward. I’ve always loved making videos, and I’ve always been online throughout my whole upbringing. I saw how our videos resonated or made our friends laugh, and I’ve always thought that it could just be something bigger. But there was never a real plan of how it was going to happen. 

Ashley Gill: Even when it was just the two of us driving around in our hometown car, we were always performing, just sometimes there wasn’t a camera there to capture it. And it was kind of a natural progression. 

Grant GIbbs: I’m always forcing Ashley to do stuff that… 

Ashley Gill: Grant’s always raising the stakes. 

Grant Gibbs: Yeah, I’m like, “You do it with me, now let’s perform it in front of our friend group in high school. Now let’s do it in front of the school.” 

So.Gay: You have songs and posts poking fun at Disney Adults, Scientology, and JD Vance … have there been times where you’ve hesitated to hit publish on anything? 

Grant Gibbs: I genuinely think we do lead with good intentions. We’ve had backlash, one comes to mind with Disney Adults, but at the end of the day, we know the truth of what happened in the scenario. We didn’t do anything wrong. I genuinely believe in my heart a heart that, we … I’m getting into the “Bottle red” thing, do you know what I’m talking about? 

[Note: In 2025, the pair posted a video from an Ariel meet-and-greet from the park, with Ash joking that The Little Mermaid’s hair was “Bottle red,” sparking criticism from Disney fans]

So.Gay: Is it weird when your posts breach containment and reach the masses, who may not understand the satire? 

Ashley Gill: I think with that one, it bothered me a little bit because we were not trying to harass a woman at work, as we were accused of. I know that, both of our intentions were not there, we were being accused of something we simply did not do. At the end of the day, we know the truth, so what the hell are we going to do about it?

Grant Gibbs: Also, I’m sorry, but that wig is not good and Disney should up their budget for the wig. 

Ashley Gill: Sorry, I have to flag it. As a redhead, I had to flag it. There was another time, too, where we made a song about getting dicked down at the DNC, and that also kind of found the wrong audience. Well, maybe the right audience, and the conservatives found it. The hate we got there was kind of crazy, but for me, it was almost rewarding, that hate. 

Grant Gibbs: I kind of love when it reaches the audience that we’re clearly making fun of.

Ashley Gill: And they’re believing it, and it’s just proving our point, because they’re morons.

Grant Gibbs: Honey, we’re holding a mirror up to you, and you don’t dare to look at it. You hate it, because you hate yourself.

Ashley Gill: You hate it. You’re closing your eyes, spinning three times, and saying “Bloody Mary” to avoid the mirror. 

So.Gay: You brought up Dicked Down at the DNC, you have your Disney Swingers videos, and songs with lyrics like, “Got Fucked at Panera,” “Tossing Neck in a TJ Maxx,” “Getting You Ass Ate at the Cheesecake Factory” … have either of you ever fulfilled any of your song lyrics? 

Ashley Gill: A good question. Not for lack of trying.

So.Gay: Is there a challenge to get any of them done?

Ashley Gill: I was trying to get dicked down at the DNC. I was dating this flop back home, and I was like, “Oh my god, this is mama’s big week in Chicago!”

Grant Gibbs: And we kept saying, “What happens at the DNC, stays at the DNC.”

Ashley Gill: And then it didn’t work, and I flew home, and the next day dumped that man, so… but yeah, not for lack of trying. 

Grant Gibbs: Low-key, because we’ve been interviewed about this type of stuff before, and sometimes it turns into we’re celebrating cruising culture, and while, we really don’t care, like, do your thing, get on Sniffies.

Ashley Gill: We know what goes on in the Equinox steam rooms.

Grant Gibbs: The whole sort of comedy of the songs are that these are such ridiculous acts. It’s preposterous. And, no shade, I can’t believe we have to explain it. It’s like, why would you get fucked in a Panera? 

Ashley Gill: Of all places that we’ve sung about, I think Panera would be the craziest.

Grant Gibbs: But it could also be the most realistic, because you could just go in the bathroom and whatever. It’s taking these places that honestly are so ingrained into our upbringing—just Jersey and the strip mall of it all—and then putting these preposterous acts. There was an element to my upbringing, at least with the gayness of it all, where it was kind of secretive, and I had a secret lover who was a few years older than me in high school, who we would meet up at parks and hang out because he was closeted. And we would go to, like, Panera, in the town over to hang out or whatever. 

Ashley Gill: It’s such suburban culture when you’re doing something crazy in a parking lot of an Applebee’s. And that’s really what we were evoking as well.

So.Gay: As you’ve gotten more popular—even appearing on WWHL—have you received any surprising DMs or messages of support from other stars? 

Grant Gibbs: Joe Jonas really likes us.

Ashley Gill: Joe Jonas fucks with us, for sure.

Grant Gibbs: Whenever we see him at events, he’ll come up to us. Last time we saw him, he was like, “I gotta get a picture with you guys.” And we’re like, “Okay?”

Ashley Gill: Relax, Joe!

Grant GIbbs: We’re just people. We’re just like you. There was a gag—this is a few years ago, hopefully she still follows us—but our friend Hunter was like, “Did you know Doechii follows you?” And we were like, “What?!” That’s always a gag. We got stopped in Disneyland by the guy from “Pretty Little Liars.” 

Ashley Gill: For me, Joe Jonas is so ingrained in my childhood, so obviously that’s a big deal. I feel like so much of our brand is rooted in nostalgia, and we are so connected to the things we grew up watching. “Pretty Little Liars” was like my lifeforce when I was in middle school. I would have sleepover parties just to watch “Pretty Little Liars,” I read all the books, and the guy that plays Caleb [actor Tyler Blackburn], who was my favorite of the boyfriends, stopped us in Disneyland to say that he likes us. I screamed! I screamed. That really gagged me.

Grant Gibbs:  I also just, in general, I really fangirl over really niche internet people. I follow a lot of Disney adult content creators. There’s this one niche couple, they’re so niche, and it’s like the Universal Leemyr & the Magic Ape, I saw them at Disney Springs in January and I had not felt that sort of starstruck in I don’t know how long. So I go crazy for, like, these random people that I, like, follow or keep tabs on. But celebrities, they’re very cool too, but they don’t always gag me in the same caliber, because they’re like our peers. Kim Petras, that’s a gag. I really love her and now we’re mutuals.

Ashley Gill: He didn’t know me, but I met President Fitzgerald Grant III from “Scandal.” In fact, I made Michael, our publicist, chase him down to get a photo with me. I was shaking. It was the best night of my life, but need him.

So.Gay: I know you perform your song “Don Cheadle” during the tour, and even did a post inviting him to a show. Have you heard from him at all, and what do you think he’d think of the song?

Ashley Gill: If I’m Don, I would be absolutely floored. 

Grant GIbbs: I would have shivers down my spine. 

Ashley Gill: Shivers down my spine, goosebumps all over. But what we’ve been met with? Silence.

Grant Gibbs: And it’s a bop! It’s a hit!

Ashley Gill: Don is so incredible. His filmography is incredible. What he’s done in his personal life is incredible, his philanthropy. We are just celebrating that, we love him, and we would love the chance to sit down with him and have a cup of coffee. 

Grant Gibbs: And what is stopping you from interacting with this gorgeous song about yourself? Is it the lyric, “Go down on my Cheadle?” 

Ashley Gill: Because that’s up for interpretation, that could mean anything. 

Grant Gibbs: And every other lyric is so sweet. It was that one, I think. 

Ashley Gill: I don’t know what’s going on with Don and his team, we’d love for them to reach out. We’re open to collaboration. 

So.Gay: Lastly, the big news this week is that you signed with CAA. Can you talk about what that milestone means for you and where you hope to take this partnership in your next era? 

Grant Gibbs: Well, yeah, Hollywood called finally, and we decided to pick up. After a few rings.  I feel like we’ve been waiting strategically for a while to have agencies interested in us, because we didn’t want just a digital agent, because I think we see ourselves as bigger than social media. We have a lot of aspirations for television and film and acting and also more music. So it is really exciting that we now are having this team that has resources for all of these things, aside from social media. We can, if we want to, start shopping a TV show, which, maybe we will in the near future. We have the people to go to who can help with that, which is really cool and exciting. It feels good to be … I hate that this is how it is, but it’s legitimizing, is that a word?

Ashley Gill: I feel like it legitimizes us. CAA, obviously we’ve known about them and wanted to work with them for a while. They’re so major. And the fact that we’re on the same roster as the “Heated Rivalry” guys, I mean, don’t mind if I do, right? Let me get in the same room as those guys, right?

Grant Gibbs: But yeah, as far as what’s on the horizon, we just finished recording an album. We think it could be Album of the year, we don’t want to put too many things out there, but…

Ashley Gill: That’s what the streets are saying.

So.Gay: I’ve heard that.

Grant Gibbs: Excited to continue to grow the Twink and Redhead Empire.

Ashley Gill: We’re going to be everywhere. 

CREDITS

TALENT: Grant Gibbs & Ashley Gill

PHOTOGRAPHER: Zac Olewnicki

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